Hope the above issues are fixed for all coin in poolminig, it was nice to find a host that reports the proper hashrate, doesnt take a transaction fee after already taking a percentage of coin mine, and where admins keep in touch.
Just got another Orphan again - issue is not fixed. Hit me up when you have this fixed. 24 hours of paying electricity with 0 profits is not something I personally can eat. Love the pool - hope it's fixed soon.
Hey Poolmining. D3 Dash mining isn't greatly profitable anyway anymore. Given your pool size isn't huge, there will be consequences for your pool if you can't resolve quickly. If you can't resolve in the next couple of hours (i.e post here to save it's sorted) then I'll also be forced to move my miners also. But wish you the best of luck as I would rather not go back to Antpool!.
Oh, I'm going by Crackfoo's statement on the github link you posted here https://github.com/dashpay/dash/issues/1822 - Besides the zpool.ca link, I'm familiar with his name on forums and github hehe
The Antminer is not that complicated....It's a stripped down version of linux running cgminer with a few minor tweaks. If you SSH to the antminer, you can see ALL the configurations they have on it. Thus, Saying this crap helps exactly ZERO. Unless you have some PROOF of this...please refrain from worthless comments.
EDIT - Mining other X11 coins is working fine also...which further confirms this theory is nonsense.
6 orphaned blocks. I have been mining Crypto for a long time, the guy I posted from who runs a Bitcoin Pool, WROTE CGMNER, so with that said, you explain it. 5 out of the 6 blocks that were stolen from the pool went to Bitmain/Antpool. Explain it. I have never seen that many orphaned blocks, ever. What are the chances? Look at the Math and the probabilities, what are they. I can tell you it is an absurdity, mathematically impossible. So, something has to explain it. If this pool gets one more orphaned block I am going to request a payout and I have no choice but to leave. Where will I go, I have no choice but to go to ANTPOO, since they seem to be the only ones who can consistently confirm a block for the time being. I am not in to mining for ZERO return. Can't do it, bad for business.
Please explain to me how you "Steal" a block. I have a mining farm and run pools myself and I hate orphans... but I get them plenty considering my pool is competing with other pools on same coins. For example, all those running YIIMP and have the same Scrypt coins I mine will have a higher rate of orphans. Why? Because we're all mining the same coin and fight for submitting blocks for low diff coins fastest.
If a competing pool wanted to be dirty, they'd simply do a DDoS attack as seems common (unfortunately) now-a-days. Hey...I'm annoyed at this issue too bro, but being upset at Bitmain seems misdirected to me hehe.
It is mathematically impossible to have 6 Orphaned Blocks in a row. That means that six time in a row, the Pool found a block within a ms of another pool and somehow, mysteriously, our block gets orphaned every time. THAT is mathematically absurd to even consider it to be random. IMPOSSIBLE, you are looking at 1 to the 10th to the 50th. In math, it is called an absurdity, impossible. Someone, is affecting the outcome. No other explanation. Someone is gaming the system and since Bitmain is notorius for underhanded practices (i.e putting software inside their miners that are detrimental to the end users, like ways they can control your miner remotely) my first suspect is the giant pile of ANTPOO that Bitmain is. Does the term ANTBLEED spark your memory? They did it before and they will continue to do it.
Curious why people are mad at Bitmain for this? I mean I'm not a huge fan of them either, but I don't see how this is their fault..Has someone confirmed that this issue is not happening (somehow..) with innosilicon, iBeLink, and Baikal X11 miners? As far as I'm aware - it's has nothing to do with mining hardware.
for over an hour both my D3s are mining here and zpool at the same time ? maybe I don't understand how all this works however there is something not right with whats been happening
ok ,? now my hash rate went up??? 23.3 / both are underclocked. please explain that . I'm supposed to be mining on zpool my stats are current there also. more realistic numbers
how is it that the chinese are so much better at making ASIC miners than everyone else. WTF are the Germans or Seppos when it comes to chip manufacturers? We need decent comp for bitmain. Bitmain seems to be fulfilling big miner and in-house orders only.
My company looked at it ASIC development but it is expensive 1Mil and no guarantee your new chip will be faster cheaper look at Ebit and 14nm try. Everyone suspects the S9 chip is stolen tech build with it and then hire your lawyers...
I'm using this pool for about 2 weeks and I like it a lot (I'm new to mining). I've read all posts and I think there probably is some kind of a (software) problem with the pool. I use Antminer D3. I think I saw the beginning of the problem about 48 hours ago (26 Dec). At that time the pool just had completed 7 blocks for one day and all were green (< 100%). Then for the next ~14-18 hours there was not a single block found/completed. I think 14-18h is a long time... Then the series of orphaned blocks began. I think this has to raise some attention.
I think the chances some of the D3s on this pool to be "hacked" are small, but not negligible. In the last 24 hours I switched to Antpool, then again here to see if there will be any difference (the orphaned blocks continued), and currently I'm on antpool again, because otherwise I will not be able to pay my electricity bill.
Current configuration of my D3 is : 1st pool: Antpool , 2nd - poolmining. , 3rd - antpool . And at present moment I see the stats at both pools and my machine is hashing at both ! At Antpool it seems to be slightly under what normally shows there and at poolmining it is about 9Gh. Machine was switched to Antpool about 6 hours ago and there are no significant drops in antpool stats, but it hashes here too? This doesn't seem normal.
I have antpool only as the 3rd on my D3s. My D3s only connect two short times (both max. 10 minutes) with antpool in the night. I think admin reboots the dash pool at this times...
Block 794607 has been confirmed. Am I to assume that the issue is fixed? I have to leave for work and if it's just a fluke, I would prefer to power down till I get confirmation that were back in the game.
Yes but at 50x our hashpower they could simply brute-force through the crisis and hide their orphans. Yesterday, I've deployed an update that enabled the display of orphans which were previously just ignored by the web-frontend because they never happened.
Sorry Meister! Meine Antwort galt nicht Dir. Ich wollte nur die Aussage von Rob negieren... was er schreibt stimmt definitiv nicht. Das der antpool seine Orphans nicht anzeigt halte ich auch für wahrscheinlich.
Ich stehe voll hinter Dir und gebe Dir dicke Zeit bis in nächste Jahr! Solange andere kleine Pools mit dem gleichen Problem kämpfen wäre es sträflich Dir die Hashpower zu entziehen und damit die Problemfindung zu erschweren...
OK... Did you realize that antpool needs 4-5 hours between finding a block an calculate them ready? Did you realize that they actually have 40 open blocks they are calculating on? Latest full calculated block is 794640 Only 13 blocks away from your last earning... They make 10-15 blocks / hour...
I opened ticket with bitmain on Dash antpool you are not my antpool support and they and i are having a problem. I posted it here so everyone here would know antpool is having an issue too. Thank you for your insight but please stay focused on the issue
Dein privates earning problem bei antpool ist weit weg vom "focused issue" der orphans auf miningpool! Aller öffentlich einsehbarer antpool kram widersprach deinem "Antpool I think is down now too" total! Mehr wollt ich eigentlich nicht sagen... scheint aber nie angekommen zu sein...
Did you guys all have your share balance go to 0. Mine went from 2.15M shares to 0 and my dash balance went up by .001. I mined for 3 days with all these orphans and then my shares went to 0.
ya i got 5x d3 pooling here, sometimes i heard them rev up and i look at their status and link to poolmining says dead and switches to zpool automatically until poolmining comes back but i notice my diff can be like 40s, 50s, i even see over 100 sometimes. but ya these orphans might make me switch to diff pool. 3 days getting approx 0.028 dash only with 5 miners
yeah i actually got Nothing for the 1 confirmed block we got. I know the pool support has been working at this for a while, any idea what's going on gentlemen? I can't mine for free with d3 forever and 2 day's is seriously pushing it. I know we are getting orphans, any explanation why guys ?
See links below... i know since the Nicehash hack we are ALL on guard... but relax people.. you cant mine if there is a code problem with the Dash upgraded 0.12.2.2... I do believe with Antpoopoo they hide their orphans... god forbid they actually show all of their efforts are for nothing... Only thing i could think of doing is if the admins here were to put up another X11 coin or a multipool of sorts so that we do in fact not lose our miners profitability. "In Crisis your true leaders rise to the top"
seems like another block got orphaned. 8 total. and seems like my miner stats stuck at one particular hashing speed. but my shared dropped while balance hasn't changed. my stats are wonky..
This chart provides a clear indication that Antpool's Hashpower has crossed 50% for the majority of the recently mined blocks which closely resembles a classic 51% attack - even if unintentional.
Six orphan blocks in a row. What is the probability of that? Hmmmm? Something smells of foul play. Or something is definitely broke. I do not believe the cause is from the last DASH update, but it is a possibility. My intuition says, for the time being, remove antpool from your miner configuration and cycle power on the miners. Lets see what happens.
I'm staying in this pool. I will wait until we figure this out. I want to understand this problem, and profit from it in the future.
have DASH heirachy recognised the problem and are they prepared to act upon it or do we all just say FU DASH till its sorted and mine MUA or CCC or some other dipshit X11 coin trading into dash / another major on the cross?
So when do the shares we accumulate from mining get converted into DASH in our account balance? Is this gonna happen or are we gonna be deceived into thinking we're mining only to have the shares just vanish like a fart in the wind and be told "Sorry Bout Dat, don't know what happened. It's a mystery."?
shooter: read the break down on how the apportionment protocol works, and how it rewards those who mine in a prolonged fashion. But the issue is the shares get chewed up when a block gets found. When the collective pool finds a block then the shares get apportioned. Our problem is that we have had our blocks orphaned so the shares get rewarded with the block reward, in the case of an orphan you get zero dash.
It appears that the combo of Antpool and its affiliate ViaBTC have over 51% of the miner work and somehow have managed to subvert other pools' blocks.
something really screwy is happening. My miners have been offline for 8 hours and yet it is recording that they are clocking 20GH each and building shares. Sorry Oliver, Dash is currently a Sino minion with centralised control.
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Hope the above issues are fixed for all coin in poolminig, it was nice to find a host that reports the proper hashrate, doesnt take a transaction fee after already taking a percentage of coin mine, and where admins keep in touch.
Just got another Orphan again - issue is not fixed. Hit me up when you have this fixed. 24 hours of paying electricity with 0 profits is not something I personally can eat. Love the pool - hope it's fixed soon.
I hope there won't be a 7th orphan, if so I'm forced to mine elsewhere until resolved.. i'm very closed to a minimum payout but this is killing me :(
Looks like we are not alone: https://github.com/dashpay/dash/issues/1822
Hey Poolmining. D3 Dash mining isn't greatly profitable anyway anymore. Given your pool size isn't huge, there will be consequences for your pool if you can't resolve quickly. If you can't resolve in the next couple of hours (i.e post here to save it's sorted) then I'll also be forced to move my miners also. But wish you the best of luck as I would rather not go back to Antpool!.
@Jamie: I know. Working on it (it's 4am here).
Do you have a progress?
LOL Of course Zpool would have the issue too. Why? Because I switched to them LMAO.
*sigh*
<:( :::::
+1 for avatar :)
Hey - Zpool said they updated to the new version...If you guys did too, perhaps reverting to previous version will resolve?
Tried that almost a day ago.
Drat :( figured it can't be that easy hehe
Got a link to ZPool's statement?
Oh, I'm going by Crackfoo's statement on the github link you posted here https://github.com/dashpay/dash/issues/1822 - Besides the zpool.ca link, I'm familiar with his name on forums and github hehe
Antpool is cleaning up.
What do you mean?
Antpool is hammering out blocks left and right.
They have like 50x our hashrate.
Oh I know they do
Antpool has hijacked our miners.
The Antminer is not that complicated....It's a stripped down version of linux running cgminer with a few minor tweaks. If you SSH to the antminer, you can see ALL the configurations they have on it. Thus, Saying this crap helps exactly ZERO. Unless you have some PROOF of this...please refrain from worthless comments.
EDIT - Mining other X11 coins is working fine also...which further confirms this theory is nonsense.
6 orphaned blocks. I have been mining Crypto for a long time, the guy I posted from who runs a Bitcoin Pool, WROTE CGMNER, so with that said, you explain it. 5 out of the 6 blocks that were stolen from the pool went to Bitmain/Antpool. Explain it. I have never seen that many orphaned blocks, ever. What are the chances? Look at the Math and the probabilities, what are they. I can tell you it is an absurdity, mathematically impossible. So, something has to explain it. If this pool gets one more orphaned block I am going to request a payout and I have no choice but to leave. Where will I go, I have no choice but to go to ANTPOO, since they seem to be the only ones who can consistently confirm a block for the time being. I am not in to mining for ZERO return. Can't do it, bad for business.
Please explain to me how you "Steal" a block. I have a mining farm and run pools myself and I hate orphans... but I get them plenty considering my pool is competing with other pools on same coins. For example, all those running YIIMP and have the same Scrypt coins I mine will have a higher rate of orphans. Why? Because we're all mining the same coin and fight for submitting blocks for low diff coins fastest.
If a competing pool wanted to be dirty, they'd simply do a DDoS attack as seems common (unfortunately) now-a-days. Hey...I'm annoyed at this issue too bro, but being upset at Bitmain seems misdirected to me hehe.
It is mathematically impossible to have 6 Orphaned Blocks in a row. That means that six time in a row, the Pool found a block within a ms of another pool and somehow, mysteriously, our block gets orphaned every time. THAT is mathematically absurd to even consider it to be random. IMPOSSIBLE, you are looking at 1 to the 10th to the 50th. In math, it is called an absurdity, impossible. Someone, is affecting the outcome. No other explanation. Someone is gaming the system and since Bitmain is notorius for underhanded practices (i.e putting software inside their miners that are detrimental to the end users, like ways they can control your miner remotely) my first suspect is the giant pile of ANTPOO that Bitmain is. Does the term ANTBLEED spark your memory? They did it before and they will continue to do it.
I took out all of the ANTPOO crap out of my miner, and they slammed my Hash rate from 19.3 to 14 GH/s. BITMAIN sucks, they are as crooked as it comes.
Last time there was lots of orphans in a day was the 21st August 2016 with 280+.....any correlation?
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/orphans.dws
Thanks for the hard work...and yes first and last Bitmain purchase for sure!!!
Curious why people are mad at Bitmain for this? I mean I'm not a huge fan of them either, but I don't see how this is their fault..Has someone confirmed that this issue is not happening (somehow..) with innosilicon, iBeLink, and Baikal X11 miners? As far as I'm aware - it's has nothing to do with mining hardware.
for over an hour both my D3s are mining here and zpool at the same time ? maybe I don't understand how all this works however there is something not right with whats been happening
You can not be mining on two pools at the same time. If you are I want to as well hehe :P
When in doubt - reboot your miners.
rebooting
ok ,? now my hash rate went up??? 23.3 / both are underclocked. please explain that . I'm supposed to be mining on zpool my stats are current there also. more realistic numbers
The miner interface shows more actually the speed then the pool. My other miner is in a different pool and shows 38.7 Gh/s... it's running 19.5 G
zpool btc address , 1753jrFwvtAExh8ERV5vVMMY2symx3wqaN ,dash address,XuBwPC8EnvLGEPAPzHDC4BWLK36XBYjvPS
both pools showed the reboot why would that be?
Basically a whole day of lost mining. Not cool, not cool at all. Thousands of dollars yanked out of the wallets of this pool.
yay we got a block, hopefully this one gels and doesn't get ethered
how is it that the chinese are so much better at making ASIC miners than everyone else. WTF are the Germans or Seppos when it comes to chip manufacturers? We need decent comp for bitmain. Bitmain seems to be fulfilling big miner and in-house orders only.
My company looked at it ASIC development but it is expensive 1Mil and no guarantee your new chip will be faster cheaper look at Ebit and 14nm try. Everyone suspects the S9 chip is stolen tech build with it and then hire your lawyers...
DAMN WE GOT PINGED AGAIN
Hi,
I'm using this pool for about 2 weeks and I like it a lot (I'm new to mining). I've read all posts and I think there probably is some kind of a (software) problem with the pool. I use Antminer D3. I think I saw the beginning of the problem about 48 hours ago (26 Dec). At that time the pool just had completed 7 blocks for one day and all were green (< 100%). Then for the next ~14-18 hours there was not a single block found/completed. I think 14-18h is a long time... Then the series of orphaned blocks began. I think this has to raise some attention.
I think the chances some of the D3s on this pool to be "hacked" are small, but not negligible. In the last 24 hours I switched to Antpool, then again here to see if there will be any difference (the orphaned blocks continued), and currently I'm on antpool again, because otherwise I will not be able to pay my electricity bill.
Current configuration of my D3 is : 1st pool: Antpool , 2nd - poolmining. , 3rd - antpool . And at present moment I see the stats at both pools and my machine is hashing at both ! At Antpool it seems to be slightly under what normally shows there and at poolmining it is about 9Gh. Machine was switched to Antpool about 6 hours ago and there are no significant drops in antpool stats, but it hashes here too? This doesn't seem normal.
I really hope the problem will be resolved soon.
I have antpool only as the 3rd on my D3s. My D3s only connect two short times (both max. 10 minutes) with antpool in the night. I think admin reboots the dash pool at this times...
Block 794607 has been confirmed. Am I to assume that the issue is fixed? I have to leave for work and if it's just a fluke, I would prefer to power down till I get confirmation that were back in the game.
Related: https://github.com/dashpay/p2pool-dash/issues/43#issuecomment-354226805
First Nicehash, now this bullshit!
I regret ever buying these F=&#=*@ Miners.
Who's stealing from us this time?
You can't trust anyone these days, everyone is out to rob you blind!
I wouldn't work my ass off to resolve this if it was the intention to rob off our miners which sooner or later would come to light - it always does.
794638 ANOTHER ORPHAN?!
There's fools on eBay now buying used D3s for $1500 they will take a year to pay off with mining the way it is now
Antpool I think is down now too they stopped reporting earnings at 794447 8 hours ago. and my Dash account has not incremented here or there
Could it be that Antpool is simply not listing their orphans? The issue appears to be spreading accross more pools: https://github.com/dashpay/p2pool-dash/issues/43
No, antpool is working whole time...
794752 - last Block...
Yes but at 50x our hashpower they could simply brute-force through the crisis and hide their orphans. Yesterday, I've deployed an update that enabled the display of orphans which were previously just ignored by the web-frontend because they never happened.
Sorry Meister! Meine Antwort galt nicht Dir. Ich wollte nur die Aussage von Rob negieren... was er schreibt stimmt definitiv nicht. Das der antpool seine Orphans nicht anzeigt halte ich auch für wahrscheinlich.
Alles klar. Gerade etwas stressig alles hier :)
Ich stehe voll hinter Dir und gebe Dir dicke Zeit bis in nächste Jahr! Solange andere kleine Pools mit dem gleichen Problem kämpfen wäre es sträflich Dir die Hashpower zu entziehen und damit die Problemfindung zu erschweren...
Don't know what your looking at but my antpool PPLNS History is stuck on 794447 even after several refreshes and logins
Click my link...
Click the hash...
And look what a third party (you do not need antpool for looking what happend on the chain) told you about the block...
Found by antpool - 1/2h ago...
Actually found by antpool:
794756
OMG...
OK... Did you realize that antpool needs 4-5 hours between finding a block an calculate them ready? Did you realize that they actually have 40 open blocks they are calculating on? Latest full calculated block is 794640
Only 13 blocks away from your last earning... They make 10-15 blocks / hour...
There you can only see blocks YOU have worked on - your hardware is not working for the antpool since then...
Click on STATISTICS and you will see all antpool blocks.
I opened ticket with bitmain on Dash antpool you are not my antpool support and they and i are having a problem. I posted it here so everyone here would know antpool is having an issue too. Thank you for your insight but please stay focused on the issue
Your absolutely right! I'm really fare away from an antpool supporter... :-)
But your not right with opening an ticket... read my last comment direct following your screenshot...
Entspanne meinen obsessiven Kritiker, der in deinem Erbe liegt
Dein privates earning problem bei antpool ist weit weg vom "focused issue" der orphans auf miningpool! Aller öffentlich einsehbarer antpool kram widersprach deinem "Antpool I think is down now too" total! Mehr wollt ich eigentlich nicht sagen... scheint aber nie angekommen zu sein...
Did you guys all have your share balance go to 0. Mine went from 2.15M shares to 0 and my dash balance went up by .001. I mined for 3 days with all these orphans and then my shares went to 0.
yes one good block wiped it out
ya i got 5x d3 pooling here, sometimes i heard them rev up and i look at their status and link to poolmining says dead and switches to zpool automatically until poolmining comes back but i notice my diff can be like 40s, 50s, i even see over 100 sometimes. but ya these orphans might make me switch to diff pool. 3 days getting approx 0.028 dash only with 5 miners
yeah i actually got Nothing for the 1 confirmed block we got. I know the pool support has been working at this for a while, any idea what's going on gentlemen? I can't mine for free with d3 forever and 2 day's is seriously pushing it. I know we are getting orphans, any explanation why guys ?
i'll be back once the orphan issue is straightened out ;(
https://github.com/dashpay/dash/issues/1822#issuecomment-354322219
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See links below... i know since the Nicehash hack we are ALL on guard... but relax people.. you cant mine if there is a code problem with the Dash upgraded 0.12.2.2... I do believe with Antpoopoo they hide their orphans... god forbid they actually show all of their efforts are for nothing... Only thing i could think of doing is if the admins here were to put up another X11 coin or a multipool of sorts so that we do in fact not lose our miners profitability. "In Crisis your true leaders rise to the top"
see below for your reading pleasure......
https://github.com/dashpay/p2pool-dash/issues/43#issuecomment-354226805
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/so-many-orphaned-blocks-as-found-today-have-never-been.23115/#post-157973
seems like another block got orphaned. 8 total. and seems like my miner stats stuck at one particular hashing speed. but my shared dropped while balance hasn't changed. my stats are wonky..
This chart provides a clear indication that Antpool's Hashpower has crossed 50% for the majority of the recently mined blocks which closely resembles a classic 51% attack - even if unintentional.
Our last orphaned block is not "hijacked" by antpool.
It was a short miner / mining pool... https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/extraction.dws?9658065.htm
From the last 100 blocks "only" 28 going to antpool; from the last 1000 blocks 392 for antpool - both to much but fare away from 51%... https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/#!extraction
With round about 500 blocks / day antpool never had 51% hashpower in the period we (and other small pools) catch all the fucking orphanes.
Yesterday we got nearly 1/4 of all orphanes. Today "only" 1/10...
Six orphan blocks in a row. What is the probability of that? Hmmmm? Something smells of foul play. Or something is definitely broke. I do not believe the cause is from the last DASH update, but it is a possibility. My intuition says, for the time being, remove antpool from your miner configuration and cycle power on the miners. Lets see what happens.
I'm staying in this pool. I will wait until we figure this out. I want to understand this problem, and profit from it in the future.
Dash is about to Explode. By March of 2018, these D3 miners will be worth more than the S9s. Let's grow this Pool and make some money!
What makes you think dash is about to explode?
have DASH heirachy recognised the problem and are they prepared to act upon it or do we all just say FU DASH till its sorted and mine MUA or CCC or some other dipshit X11 coin trading into dash / another major on the cross?
So when do the shares we accumulate from mining get converted into DASH in our account balance? Is this gonna happen or are we gonna be deceived into thinking we're mining only to have the shares just vanish like a fart in the wind and be told "Sorry Bout Dat, don't know what happened. It's a mystery."?
shooter: read the break down on how the apportionment protocol works, and how it rewards those who mine in a prolonged fashion. But the issue is the shares get chewed up when a block gets found. When the collective pool finds a block then the shares get apportioned. Our problem is that we have had our blocks orphaned so the shares get rewarded with the block reward, in the case of an orphan you get zero dash.
It appears that the combo of Antpool and its affiliate ViaBTC have over 51% of the miner work and somehow have managed to subvert other pools' blocks.
something really screwy is happening. My miners have been offline for 8 hours and yet it is recording that they are clocking 20GH each and building shares. Sorry Oliver, Dash is currently a Sino minion with centralised control.
Whats your wallet address?
its not accumulating shares anymore,
Please continue the discussion here: https://poolmining.userecho.com/forums/1-general/topics/421-dash-situation/